Saltar para: Post [1], Pesquisa e Arquivos [2]
Where I come to be wrong... and some might learn something
The biggest opponents to my thesis, probably are the steppe theory proponents. I say south Caucasus a kicked out dogs that flee to Delta nile Egypt and to Iberia… they say from the Ukraine steppe moving west with R1b and R1a alongside, sort of, and spreading the Indo European languages.
So when someone like Genetiker says, look there, humm awkward the fact that there is a genetic component (Green Pine color in plots) that links satsurblia/kotias (pre shulaveri hunter gatherers in the same region) to Pre bell beaker in Iberia, to bell beaker, to unitice, to bronze age Irish… so the all story of the R1b and west Europe, BUT, BUT, does not at all show up in Hunter gatheres, Neolithic farmers, Yammaya, Corded ware, meaning the steppe expantion theory people, it really, really, makes my day.
Genetiker writes…
“A striking feature of the plot, which has appeared in my previous plots, and which cries out for an explanation, is the significant amount of the pine green component, which peaks in Georgians, throughout all of the modern European samples. This component does not appear in the hunter-gatherers, or in the early Neolithic farmers, and it is also almost completely absent in the Pit Grave samples from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, and the Corded Ware and Timber Grave samples. It does appear in the Chinchorro mummy sample from around 4000 BC. It also appears in the pre-Bell-Beaker Copper Age samples from El Portalón cave in Spain, and especially in El Portalón 3, which I discovered to belong to Y haplogroup R1b-M269. Some of the pine green component shows up in the Bell Beaker and Unetice samples of Central Europe, and in the Nordic and Irish Bronze Age samples. My best explanation for the significant presence of this component in these samples is that it is somehow linked with the spread of R1b-L51.
“
And sumurizes by,
“The pine green component is informative, because it shows that all modern Europeans have a significant amount of Caucasus-related admixture BEYOND what was present in the Pit Grave and Corded Ware people. As I said above, this extra Caucasus-related admixture seems to be due at least in part to the spread of R1b-L51 people"”
Yes, no shit sherlocks!